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hordak reče pred 1 minuto:

Zaradi gripe in virusa RSV hospitaliziranih 750 ljudi, 14 jih je umrlo

https://www.rtvslo.si/zdravje/novice/zaradi-gripe-in-virusa-rsv-hospitaliziranih-750-ljudi-14-jih-je-umrlo/514285

 

Zdaj pa 10 hospitaliziranih predstavlja velik problem...

Saj ne predstavlja. To samo par panikov misli. Vsaka bolnišnica ima predviden določen procent postelj za covid paciente. Ko se kvota prvih treh bolnišnic zapolni, sprostijo za covid paciente naslednjo in tako naprej.

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sadhu sequencer reče pred 29 minutami:

Saj Faucci je znanstvenik in če on nekaj pove potem to drži.

 

Jaz razumem na začetku Marca, Aprila nam bilo vsem težko, takrat pač rabiš eno vodjo ki pove kako in kaj, niti ni časa za neke raziskave in peer review, nervoza v zraku, treba kupit maske in tako, negotovost

 

Zdej bi pa počas lahko že dobili kakšne podatke

 

Ne pa da se pogovarjamo kaj je rekel Dr. Fauči

 

uredilo bitje Marvak
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Mal na temo mask in higiene, da bo bolj zanimiva strokovna tema :D

 

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

 

Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza. We similarly found limited evidence on the effectiveness of improved hygiene and environmental cleaning. 

 

Če ima kdo čas za branje:

 

The Transmission of Epidemic Influenza

 

Nekaj papirjev na temo analize, učinkovitosti lockdownov

 

hint - anti lockdown

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Na Češkem pa so v zadnjem dnevu potrdili 1677 novih okužb, kar je nov rekord.

 

V državi, ki ima skoraj 10,7 milijona prebivalcev, so doslej potrdili skoraj 38.900 okužb z novim koronavirusom. Umrlo je 476 bolnikov s covidom-19.

 

Češka vlada ob tem poudarja, da imajo ob trenutnem razvoju epidemije dovolj postelj na oddelkih za intenzivno nego. Premier Andrej Babiš predvsem medije in nekatere strokovnjake poziva, naj ne strašijo ljudi.

 

Oh, ko bi tudi Marko Potrč naš premier twitnil kaj podobnega...

uredilo bitje Slick
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En plastičen primer kako lahko slabša dostopnost preventivnih zdravstvenih storitev zaradi nesorazmernih covid ukrepov in sejanje strahu v ljudi takoj vpliva na to, ali bo nekdo živel ali umrl.

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A slew of studies from around the world has reported a disturbing trend: since the coronavirus pandemic started, there has been a significant rise in the proportion of pregnancies ending in stillbirths, in which babies die in the womb. Researchers say that in some countries, pregnant women have received less care than they need because of lockdown restrictions and disruptions to health care. As a result, complications that can lead to stillbirths were probably missed, they say.

“What we’ve done is cause an unintended spike in stillbirth while trying to protect [pregnant women] from COVID-19,” says Jane Warland, a specialist in midwifery at the University of South Australia in Adelaide.

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The increase in the proportion of stillbirths among hospital births was not caused by COVID-19 infections, says K.C.. Rather, it is probably a result of how the pandemic has affected access to routine antenatal care, which might have otherwise picked up complications that can lead to stillbirth, he says. Pregnant women might have been unable to travel to health facilities for lack of public transport; in some cases, antenatal appointments were reportedly cancelled. Others might have avoided hospitals for fear of contracting SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, or had consultations by phone or Internet. Disruptions brought about by the pandemic have also been linked to a rise in deaths from heart disease and diabetes.

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Birth data from a large hospital in London showed a similar trend. In July, Asma Khalil, an obstetrician at St George’s, University of London, and her colleagues reported2 a nearly fourfold increase in the incidence of stillbirths at St George’s Hospital, from 2.38 per 1,000 births between October 2019 and the end of January this year, to 9.31 per 1,000 births between February and mid-June.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02618-5#ref-CR2

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flipflop reče Dne, 16. 9. 2020 at 12:46:

Mal na temo mask in higiene, da bo bolj zanimiva strokovna tema :D

 

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

 

Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza. We similarly found limited evidence on the effectiveness of improved hygiene and environmental cleaning. 

Če bi prebral članek bi videl da gre bolj za absence of evidence kot za evidence of absence an

uredilo bitje Kunta Kinte
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flipflop reče pred 10 minutami:

Lahko obrneš kakor ti je prid :) 

 

Jaz obrnem tako, da če nekdo kašlja in šmrka maska ima svoj efekt, že zato ker zmanjša let sline, tekočin naokrog. Ostalo je bolj kot ne blažen žegen. 

Ampak jo nosim, ne zaradi sebe, zaradi drugih.  

lahko, če si pripravljen ignorirat naslednje sestavke:

 

za hand hygiene: If one considers all of the evidence from RCTs together, it is useful to note that some studies might have underestimated the true effect of hand hygiene because of the complexity of implementing these intervention studies. For instance, the control group would not typically have zero knowledge or use of hand hygiene, and the intervention group might not adhere to optimal hand hygiene practices (11,13,15).

 

za respiratory etiquette: Respiratory etiquette is often listed as a preventive measure for respiratory infections. However, there is a lack of scientific evidence to support this measure. Whether respiratory etiquette is an effective nonpharmaceutical intervention in preventing influenza virus transmission remains questionable, and worthy of further research.

 

za face masks: Most studies were underpowered because of limited sample size, and some studies also reported suboptimal adherence in the face mask group.

 

kako lahko potem utemeljuješ svoje stališče - ukrepi so neučinkoviti - na tem članku? po temu članku lahko samo rečeš - učinkovitost ukrepov ni znanstveno dokazana, ker ni dovolj študij na temo

 

uredilo bitje Kunta Kinte
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Od kje pa tebi tako jasno mnenje o mojem stališču do ukrepov? Na podlagi nizanja prispevkov? Kaj pa če gre samo za nizanje širše slike?

 

- nosim masko

- skrbim za higieno rok

- higiena kašlja

- učim mulce istega

- jih pa mulce ne strašim, preprečujem stike s sovrstniki niti obiske starih staršev. s slednjimi smo pač malo bolj previdni, npr. jemo zunaj in ne v jedilnici

- itd. 

 

Ne bi si upal sodit o neučinkovitosti ukrepov, bi si pa upal implicirat, da so marsikje pretirani in nečloveški. Hvala bogu se jih povsod ne držijo in jih izvajajo v skladu s farso npr. v "naši' šoli, kjer je otrokom celo dovoljeno, da so razredi skupaj pomešani na šolskem dvorišču, imaš namreč šole, kjer je to po novem prepovedano. En primer tkole z rokava :) 

 

 

 

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MihaKihot reče pred 13 minutami:

to je enostavno zelo smešna trditev

 

umivanje rok ne pripomore k manjši možnosti za prenoz okužbe?

Če bi prebral kaj točno piše bi mogoče videl, da je to primerjava med normalnim umivanjem rok, in kompliciranjem ki se izvaja dandanes.

Očitno ne nardi blazno velke razlike, če oni niso opazli signifikatnih razlik.

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MihaKihot reče pred 24 minutami:

to je enostavno zelo smešna trditev

 

umivanje rok ne pripomore k manjši možnosti za prenoz okužbe?

 

Tko nekak, če iz tega lahko potegneš kaj drugega kot previdno priporočilo ... ampak sej vidiš, odvisno kater del se qouta :innocent:

 

Hand hygiene is a widely used intervention and has been shown to effectively reduce the transmission of gastrointestinal infections and respiratory infections (26). However, in our systematic review, updating the findings of Wong et al. (8), we did not find evidence of a major effect of hand hygiene on laboratory-confirmed influenza virus transmission (Figure 1). Nevertheless, hand hygiene might be included in influenza pandemic plans as part of general hygiene and infection prevention.

 

We did not find evidence that surgical-type face masks are effective in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza transmission, either when worn by infected persons (source control) or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility (Figure 2). However, as with hand hygiene, face masks might be able to reduce the transmission of other infections and therefore have value in an influenza pandemic when healthcare resources are stretched.

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Vlada je sklenila, da bo ob vstopu v stavbe delovnega mesta obvezno merjenje temperature zaposlenih in obiskovalcev.

Od prihodnjega tedna bo čas obratovanja lokalov predvidoma omejen na 6.00-22.00

V pripravi so ukrepi, ki bodo dodatno omejili javna zbiranja oz. število oseb.
Vlada razmišlja o omejitvi zbiranja na šest ljudi.

Nošenje mask bo od konca tedna obvezna v odprtih javnih prostorih, kjer se zbira veliko ljudi.

 

uredilo bitje BuDi
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Tom7i reče pred 31 minutami:

Varko. Če ga nimate, pa hišnik, i guess?

 

kapslok reče pred 18 minutami:

 

pri nas mamo to že od vrnitve v pisarno. pred vhodom je pištolca pa si zmeriš, preden greš noter. niti minute ti ne vzame. 

sicer noben ne preverja, če si imel več kot 37.5, ampak se nekako računa na to, da bo vsak dovolj odgovoren, da se v tem primeru obrne in gre domov. 

 

hordak reče pred 11 minutami:

Pri nas smo imeli aprila na vhodu termo kamero, za par sekund se moraš postaviti pred njo. Na začetku je vsem kazala 41, dokler je niso popravili:)

 

 

Nič od tega nimamo :D

Pa če noben ne preverja in se računa na odgovornost ljudi, zakaj si ne bi že sam doma izmeril temperature, preden porabiš x časa do šihta?

uredilo bitje lazaRus
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