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[Shadow]

Pa da vidmo kej lohk nrdi z bol ofenzivno ekipo kot so Predsi.

 

• 02:00 New York Islanders at Tampa Bay Lightning

[ronaldinho]

ronaldinho reče Dne, 14. 9. 2020 at 12:04:

aja, M'si dobili serijo v Arizoni, Astrosi pa izgubili z Dodgersi. Zdaj smo samo 1,5 tekem zadaj in danes imamo double header z A'si, medtem ko Houston počiva, tako da jih lahko prehitimo.

 

Prvo tekmo Gonzalez starta, tako da sem kar optimističen, drugo bo pa verjetno bullpen odigral in bomo rabili res izdatno pomoč napada.  

 

Prvo tekmo dobili, čeprav je OAK že vodil 5-0, potem pa lep comeback. V drugi pa A'si gladko, je pa Lewis uspel preprečiti grand slam s tem catchem. 

 

 

 

[Jude]

Tole je pa NBA vertical, se vidijo genetske predispozicije (white man can't jump) 

[ronaldinho]

Mike Trout disagrees.  

 

 

 

 

[ronaldinho]

Itak KLew>>>>Trout drugače, da ne bo pomote  

[ronaldinho]

 

HB, coach! 

[ronaldinho]

Tekmi SEA-SF danes in jutri prestavljeni zaradi slabega zraka v Seattlu, verjetno se bo v četrtek, ko imata obe ekipi prosto igral double header v SF (kot da je tam stanje kaj boljše...).  

 

MLB objavil, da se bo postseason igral v "mehurčku" v Kaliforniji (AL) in Texasu (NL in WS), backup plan je Phoenix.

 

 

 

Tole bo zanimivo predvsem zaradi rotacije, ker bodo ekipe verjetno morale uporabljati 5 starterjev.

 

 

 

 

[Shadow]

opa Islandersi se ne dajo. 

 

02:00 New York Islanders at Tampa Bay Lightning 2-1 (2OT, 2-3 serija)

[Shadow]

hahaha model

[skvedr]

Kaj pa bo na bye naredu

[ronaldinho]

Katera liga je to, da igraš samo z igralci ene ekipe?

 

Bi lahko tudi mi naredili kaj podobnega drugo leto pa vsak s svojo ekipo igra. Pats fani se bodo pač stepli med seboj. No, čeprav zdaj so itak poniknili, ko jim je Tomaž ušel.

16. september 2020 uredilo bitje ronaldinho

[Shadow]

a je sploh se kak pats fan zdej?  

[ronaldinho]

Po mojem so se preselili v toplejše kraje.

[Shadow]

 

[ronaldinho]

 

 

 

[Jude]

Samo govor, na koncu nič ne dvigne, sem bil zelo razočaran

 

[Shadow]

Ajd, da vidmo ce Tampa koncno lahk zapre to serijo

 

02:00 Tampa Bay Lightning at New York Islanders

[Shadow]

boltsm je koncno ratalo v finale
nadstreljali so islanderse  48-27 
pa vseeno zmaga komi v OT 2-1, ker se je Varlamov postavu na glavo sam ni blo zadosti.

Uglavnm Tampa zasluzeno. 

 

Prvo tekmo ma Dallas mal prednosti k so bol spociti. Bo pa imo dobro finale

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[Shadow]

Navedek

 

What history says could come of the Red Wings’ three second-round draft picks

By Max Bultman Sep 17, 2020 43 

The fourth pick in the 2020 NHL Draft is, without question, the most important decision for the Red Wings to nail this offseason.

But not far behind it? What to do with the three second-round picks they’ve accumulated, with second-rounders from both Edmonton (courtesy of the Andreas Athanasiou trade) and Washington (from last year’s Nick Jensen trade) joining the Red Wings’ own pick at No. 32.

In the last decade, 18 teams have had three or more second-round picks leading up to the draft. They’ve taken different approaches, from making all the picks, to using them as capital to trade for players, to trade up, or even trade down. And they’ve had differing levels of success in doing so.

So is there anything the Red Wings learn from their experiences, as they approach this draft? Let’s dive in.

2010

Two teams, Chicago and Florida, entered the 2010 draft with a trio of second-round picks.

The Blackhawks, just weeks removed from winning the Stanley Cup, were in a vastly different position than Detroit is now. They acquired a third second-rounder just two days before the draft, in the deal that sent Dustin Byfuglien to Atlanta. And that was just the beginning of an active week of trades, including a trade back from their 30th overall pick that netted them two more second-rounders (left wing Ludvig Rensfeldt and goalie Kent Simpson) on draft day.

But of those three second-round picks, Chicago dealt only one, sending the 43rd pick to Toronto for prospect Jimmy Hayes, who went on to play 334 NHL games (though only 43 for the Blackhawks). They also selected a pair of future NHL defensemen in Justin Holl and Stephen Johns later in the round.

Florida, meanwhile, was in a much more comparable position to Detroit, finishing near the bottom of the league with two picks acquired at that year’s trade deadline, in addition to its own at No. 33.

The Panthers made all three picks. All three of the players they selected (forward John McFarland, defenseman Alexander Petrovic and forward Connor Brickley) saw NHL time, but only Petrovic played more than 100 games, with 263.

2011

St. Louis, with two bonus second-rounders gained from the 2011 deadline, made all three picks. And the Blues got two 300-plus-game NHLers out of it, winger Dmitrij Jaskin and defenseman Joel Edmundson (who was part of their 2019 Stanley Cup team). Those were in addition to forward Ty Rattie, who played just 99 NHL games. Nonetheless, getting an eventual contributor to a Cup team is a solid outcome in the second round.

The Senators, meanwhile, used two of their second-rounders (their own, and one acquired from Chicago at that year’s deadline) to trade up into the first round, where they took current Grand Rapids Griffins forward Matt Puempel at No. 24. Going the other way (to Detroit, in fact), were picks 35 and 48, which turned into defenseman Xavier Ouellet and forward Tomas Jurco, who have combined for 385 NHL games compared to Puempel’s 87.  With their final pick of the round, the Senators picked forward Shane Prince, who managed 128 NHL games, though only 44 with Ottawa.

2012

Technically, no team entered the 2012 draft with three or more picks. But one team had four just one week before draft day, and that was the Steve Yzerman-run Lightning.

Tampa Bay had missed the playoffs that year, and a week before the draft, Yzerman swung a deal sending two of his 2012 second-rounders, plus a 2013 third and the signing rights to goaltender Sebastien Caron, to Nashville for goaltender Anders Lindback, forward Kyle Wilson and a seventh-round pick.

Lindback was the focal point of the deal, and Yzerman said back then, “We think he has the ability to become a No. 1 goalie soon, but it would be wrong to sit here today and say he’s our No. 1 goalie. We think he has really good potential, and we’re going to let him develop at the right pace.”

And indeed, at age 24, Lindback had posted save percentages of .915 and .912 in moderate NHL action in his first two seasons for the Predators. Goaltenders can be notoriously hard to project, though, and he never ended up playing more than 26 games in a single NHL season. The picks Tampa Bay traded to acquire him turned into forwards Colton Sissons (a regular in Nashville), Pontus Aberg (who has bounced around the league for 132 games), and defenseman Jonathan-Ismael Diaby, who has not made it to the league.

The seventh-rounder included in the Tampa side of the deal, meanwhile, became forward Nikita Gusev, who just had a 44-point season for the Devils.

Tampa’s other two second-rounders were defenseman Dylan Blujus and forward Brian Hart, who have not made the NHL.

2013

This was a boom year: Montreal, Winnipeg and San Jose all owned three-second picks entering the draft.

Montreal made all three of its picks, which included former Red Wing Jacob De La Rose, winger Artturi Lehkonen (a current regular for the Canadiens) and goaltender Zachary Fucale, who has not made the NHL.

Winnipeg nabbed center Nic Petan (129 NHL games to date) and goaltender Eric Comrie (remember him?) before using its final pick at No. 61 to trade back for Nos. 84, 114 and 127. Pick 61 became Blues Cup winner Zach Sanford. The Jets acquired forward James Lodge, and defensemen Jan Kostalek and Tucker Poolman with the latter picks. Only Poolman, thus far, has made the NHL.

San Jose, meanwhile, had the whopper of the group. It used a second-round pick at No. 58 (acquired earlier that spring) to trade up in the first round from No. 20 to No. 18. At that slot, it picked defenseman Mirco Mueller, who has gone on to play 185 games.

But No. 20 was Anthony Mantha. And No. 58 became Tyler Bertuzzi.

Then, after drafting forward Gabryel Paquin-Boudreau at No. 49, the Sharks traded No. 50 (which became defenseman Dillon Heatherington) for veteran Tyler Kennedy.

2014

The Sabres were our three-pick team to watch from the 2014 draft, and they kept two of them: Brendan Lemieux has carved out a role with the Rangers, while Vaclav Karabacek never made the NHL. They moved pick 39 (goaltender prospect Vitek Vanecek) for Nos. 44 and 74, which became AHL winger Eric Cornel and ECHL defenseman Brycen Martin.

2015

Columbus used one of its three second-round picks to trade up into the first round, swapping Nos. 34 and 68 for No. 29. That netted the Blue Jackets defenseman Gabriel Carlsson, who has played in 23 NHL games. Toronto got blueliner Travis Dermott, a regular for the Leafs, at No. 34.

Then, Columbus picked forwards Paul Bittner (yet to make his NHL debut) and Kevin Stenlund, who had 10 points in 32 games this season.

Calgary, meanwhile, went big. It used two of its three second-round picks as part of a package (along with No. 15 overall) to trade for defenseman Dougie Hamilton. Then the Flames used the third selection to take defenseman Rasmus Andersson, now in their top four, playing nearly 20 minutes per night.

Getting two top-four blueliners is a heck of a haul. But the fact the Flames were already a playoff team likely enabled them to be more aggressive in trading for Hamilton than a rebuilder like Detroit would be. The Flames also secured another NHL blueliner in the second round of this draft, too, trading up to take Oliver Kylington.

 

Calgary’s Rasmus Andersson is the kind of second-round gem the Red Wings should be hoping to nab this fall. (Brett Holmes / Icon Sportswire via Getty Images)

2016

After that eventful 2015, the Flames again entered a draft with three second-round picks after a tumble to the bottom of the standings. They promptly flipped their 35th overall pick (which became top forward prospect Jordan Kyrou) to the Blues for goaltender Brian Elliott, who was a Flame for only one season.

After that, they selected goaltender prospect Tyler Parsons and forward Dillon Dubé, who at age 22 is now an NHL contributor and scored four playoff goals in 10 games for Calgary this summer.

2017

This was Vegas’ first draft, and its three-pick pool in the second round was due in part to expansion draft considerations. We might be stretching the criteria for inclusion by examining the Golden Knights here, too, since they acquired two of those picks in the days before the draft: one in a trade that sent Trevor van Riemsdyk to Carolina, and one in an expansion-draft-related deal with the Lightning. So maybe they shouldn’t count.

But, in the interest of one more data point, the Golden Knights made two of their three selections, picking defenseman Nicolas Hague and forward Jake Leschyshyn. At 21, Hague has already made his NHL debut while Leschyshyn is still in the minors. They flipped their other pick (45th overall) to Columbus for forward Keegan Kolesar, who at 22 made his debut for the Golden Knights this season (still his only NHL game). Unfortunately for Vegas, the 45th pick became Alexandre Texier, who played major minutes for the Blue Jackets in these playoffs.

Carolina also started the draft with three second-round picks. It sent one to Vegas in the aforementioned van Riemsdyk deal. With their other two, the Hurricanes took defense prospect Luke Martin and forward Eetu Luostarinen, who made his NHL debut this year.

2018

Montreal began the draft with a whopping four second-round picks and made all but the final one at No. 62. It traded down to No. 71 and added No. 133 for its trouble.

The 62nd pick became goaltender prospect Olivier Rodrigue, while 71 was defense prospect Jordan Harris. No. 133 became forward prospect Samuel Houde. Corey Pronman, in his most recent rankings, graded Harris as a “legit NHL” prospect and gave Rodrigue a mention as having “NHL potential.” So the Canadiens may well have won that deal.

But their real haul came with their three other picks, which landed them forwards Jesse Ylönen and Jacob Olofsson and defenseman Alexander Romanov. Ylönen and Olofsson fell in Pronman’s “NHL potential” tier, but Romanov was ranked as their No. 3 overall prospect, in the “high-end NHL” prospect tier. That translates to a top-pairing defenseman on Pronman’s scale, and in the second round is the kind of pick that makes a draft.

2019

Last, but not least, was our most recent draft (only 15 months ago!). Three teams had three second-rounders last June.

New Jersey, which traded its No. 34 overall pick as part of the P.K. Subban deal, traded down from No. 55 (forward Dillon Hamaliuk) to land two third-rounders (center Aliaksei Protas and defenseman Michael Vukojevic), and then picked defenseman Nikita Okhotyuk at No. 61. Hamaliuk, Vukojevic and Okhotyuk are all rated as having “NHL potential” by Pronman.

Carolina picked goalie Pyotr Kochetkov at No. 36, then traded down from No. 37 (for Nos. 44 and 83), and from No. 59 (for Nos. 73 and 99). Kochetkov is in Pronman’s “NHL potential” tier, but three players picked via Carolina’s trade downs (forwards Patrik Puistola and Jamieson Rees, and defenseman Anttoni Honka) are in the “legit NHL” prospect category, which is an impressive haul.

And finally, there was Detroit. The Red Wings, as you are likely aware, did not trade any of their three picks last summer. They selected defenseman Antti Tuomisto at No. 35, forward Robert Mastrosimone at No. 54, and defenseman Albert Johansson at No. 60. Pronman has Mastrosimone and Johansson as “legit NHL” prospects, and Tuomisto in his “NHL potential” tier.

All three rate among the most interesting Red Wings prospects to monitor this season, with Johansson in particular showing signs of a breakout this preseason.

So what does it all mean?

OK, so that was a ton of information. And if you’re looking for trends (like I was), there may not be much instructive wisdom to glean. Even where there may be the makings of a trend, the samples are pretty small.

Three teams that used their second-round picks to trade up, for example, mostly found themselves on the losing end of those deals. Ottawa used multiple second-rounders in 2011 to obtain a first-round pick, but both second-rounders ended up seeing more NHL time than the player the Senators traded up for. Columbus moved up from the top of the second round to the end of the first, only to see the player picked at their original spot (of the same position, no less!) turn into a better player. And of course, San Jose used a second-rounder as the sweetener to move up two spots in the first round, only to watch that sweetener pick turn into Tyler Bertuzzi, the Red Wings’ All-Star representative in 2020, and their original pick become Anthony Mantha, who may be Detroit’s best offensive player.

That’s two-thirds of the Red Wings’ top line, and one bad move for San Jose.

Based on those outcomes, you could certainly attempt to make the case that trading up hasn’t been fruitful for teams with three second-round picks. At the same time, that’s only three examples to work with, and if the Red Wings love a player who is sliding, those examples should not dissuade them from taking that kind of chance. Especially since we’re only reviewing trade ups by teams with three second-rounders. Philadelphia in 2015, for example, used a second-round sweetener to great effect, trading picks 29 and 61 to move up five slots to 24 and pick … star forward Travis Konecny. So that approach can work, even if it hasn’t for teams in Detroit’s specific situation yet.

Similarly mixed results can be found trading back: Carolina seemingly found a ton of value last year by using its picks to trade down, but Winnipeg missed out on a quality role player in Sanford by moving back. (Although Poolman could yet turn into one, too.)

Others still, like Calgary in 2015 and 2016 and Tampa Bay in 2012, made pick-for-player trades involving their second-rounders. The Flames had major success doing so when they got Hamilton, but losing out on a prospect like Kyrou for one year of Brian Elliott stings.

Teams that sat tight and made most of their picks had predictably mixed results, too: The second round is not a haven of easy-to-nail picks, but there is often useful talent still on the board, if you can identify it.

Perhaps the most useful data point in all of this, then, is what Detroit did last year, with a similar set of second-round assets. It’s been more than a year since that draft, but in terms of Detroit’s rebuilding status, not much has changed. If anything, the road ahead now may look longer because of the Red Wings’ disastrous results last season.

But those three players Detroit picked in the second round last summer are all now among its top 10 prospects. It wouldn’t be surprising if at least two were part of the Red Wings’ next playoff team. And while high-end talent is the Red Wings’ most pressing need at this stage, more picks means more chances to find another Bertuzzi or a Filip Hronek in Round 2.

 

 

lepo analizirano. Imo bo treba trade upat, da se dobi kazga dobrega igralca. 

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[ronaldinho]

 

 

 

Burrowu se ne piše kaj dobrega  

 

[ronaldinho]

Pogledal zdaj TNF do konca.

 

Če mislijo Bungalsi tako igrat s tako OL ga bodo uničili v letu ali dveh. Je pa res, da imajo Brownsi dobro DL, bomo videli, kako bo na ostalih tekmah.

 

18. september 2020 uredilo bitje ronaldinho

[ronaldinho]

 

 

UW legend.   Uzomah out for the season, tako da bo Sample dobil še več priložnosti. 

[Shadow]

Ponoci pa zacetk SC finala 

 

 

 

01:30 Dallas Stars at Tampa Bay Lightning

[ronaldinho]

Za koga se navija? Predvidevam, da za Tampo, ker Allas je pač Allas v vseh športih (in B4 me Dončić fani napadejo  )

 

Za Ramse očitno cap res ne obstaja.  

 

 

 

 

 

Ko je ata Gore tvoj daleč najboljši igralec napada... Se mi kar smili Darnold. Po mojem imajo Jetsi daleč najslabše pokrite offensive skill pozicije v ligi. Nič čudnega, da je Jamal Adams tako želel stran. 

 

 

19. september 2020 uredilo bitje ronaldinho

[ronaldinho]

Ok, no-name ekipa iz prestolnice jim še konkurira in če sta Bell in Crowder zdrava, potem so Jetsi boljši.

[Shadow]

Itak da za Tampo   Sej tko za Dallas kot Tampo bodo to edini dve ekipi iz teh mest v finalu  Aja kurc pozabu na Rayse. 

 

lel Jetsi in nihovo kadrovanje. Aja pa Ramsi kej studirajo kako bo v blizni prihodnosti sploh zgledala ekipa s temi norimi pogodbami? 

[ronaldinho]

 

Pred podaljšanjem Woodsa so imeli še 9m capa (10 ekip je imelo manjšega), bomo videli, kako je pogodba strukturirana. Drugače imajo letos še dead cap za Cooksa 21m in za Gurleya letos 9m in drugo leto 8m.  Po mojem je pač plan imeti 5-6 top igralcev na visokih plačah, ostalo pa s poceni/rookie igralci pokriti. Je pa tudi tukaj problem, ker imajo samo 4 picke (2.,3.,6. in 7. runda) drugo leto, tako da bodo morali kar čarat. 

 

 

also, Big Ten se vrača konec oktobra, mogoče tudi Pac 12. 

 

 

 

 

 

[hawa meyta]

Shadow reče pred 10 urami:

Itak da za Tampo  

 

večni luzerji v tekmah na izpadanje. vsa situacija me blazno spominja na tisto s Capsi l. 2018.

 

pomoje se splača vržt 10€ na Tampo, kaj praviš?