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ChAiN reče Dne, 11. 3. 2023 at 11:17:

Pep ima problem pri dveh od treh klubov :ododava:

 

Ja, ker je to, kar se dogaja v pisarnah klubov res njegova odgovornost.

 

Po tej logiki ga lahko tudi krivimo za utajo davkov Ulija Hoenessa, torej je imel Pep probleme pri vseh klubih. 

 

Saj vem, da vam gre v nos, ker vas redno premaguje, ampak malo ste pa lahko objektivni. :D 

 

maksi reče Dne, 11. 3. 2023 at 19:14:

Verjetno bodo odvzeli toliko pik odbitka, da bo na koncu večja drama in večja gledanost, win win :D

 

Čisto nobene logike ni v tem, da bi se ekipi letos vzelo pike za nekaj, kar naj bi se zgodilo pred leti.

 

Če se že toliko govori o podkupovanju naj mi nekdo razloži, zakaj se potem ni priznalo tistega gola proti Betisu, ko je bila žoga pol metra čez črto. :D Pa še je bilo takih očitnih napak. Španski sodniki so pač zanič, ni jih treba plačati za to, da bi slabo sodili, ker je to že v njihovi naturi.

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Tisto še za rit obrisat ni dovolj. 

 

 

Pique glas razuma.

 

Gerard Piqué believes in Barça's innocence when accused of buying referees after the scandal over the 'Negreira case' came to light. This was confirmed by the ex-Barça player in an interview in 'El Món a RAC1': "I'm putting my hand on fire because Barça hasn't paid the referees. If you want to buy a referee, it's as easy as giving him an envelope in black. You don't go to a vice president of the Technical Committee of Referees. It doesn't have any logic. From here on, we are used to conspiracies and campaigns...".
 

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Pique zgleda ve, kako se dela individualno s sodniki. Luknja se je glihkar povečala :D

 

Barca pa NI plačevala (preko 7 milijonov v slabih 20 letih) direktno sodnikom, ampak njihovemu šefetu, da je ustvaril pro Barca klimo med sodniki.

 

 

THREAD: For the Barca fans who still don't understand, that you don't have to BUY individual referees to cheat in the Negreira-Barca system. Here is an explanation:

Barcelona paid almost 7.4m to Negreira between 2001-2018 (there are indications that these payments started as early as the 90s).

Negreira was Vice President of the CTA between 1994-2018 and was responsible for which referees were promoted/relegated and got to referee internationally. La Liga referees are paid around €400,000 a year (roughly twice as much as in the EPL).

In addition, Negreira's son (who also received money from Barcelona) ran numerous training camps for referees and was responsible, among other things, for driving the La Liga referees from the hotel to the stadium on match days.

So he was in close contact with referees and was able to influence referees as well. There have already been statements from some former La Liga referees that they "felt pressured" by Negreira's son.

In every league there are going to be referees who simply cannot be 100% impartial because they have a certain ideological proximity to individual teams. This is not a problem specific to Spain.

BUT: In a fair system, these referees (regardless of whether they are: pro United, pro City, pro Liverpool etc.) will no longer be allowed to referee in the top division over time because they'll make too many mistakes pro/contra certain teams.

This means that in a fair system it balances itself out and ultimately the majority of the referees in the top divisions who whistle fairly and impartially remain.

Negreira now made sure that this self-cleaning mechanism of the system cannot work. For at least 17 years he ruled that referees who are pro Barca/Anti Madrid were being promoted and those who made mistakes against Barca were punished more quickly (eg relegation)

In a system like this, you don't have to pay individual referees. You just make sure that as many of them as possible are ideologically pro Barca/Anti Madrid and you can be sure that the majority of the mistakes will be in your favor.

This also explains the following points: 1. Why do madridistas still say they are being disadvantaged? After all the payments ended in 2018. Easy to explain: The referees who are in La Liga because of Negreira are not suddenly impartial just because Negreira is gone.

On the contrary, many of them now hold high positions within the CTA themselves. Clos Gomez (as an active referee, he officiated 34 Real games: 20 wins, 7 draws, 7 defeats, 102 yellow cards, 8 red cards), for example, is head of the VAR in Spain.

2. "How can it be cheating, when there've also been decisions that put Barca at a disadvantage?" Because there was no active payment of the individual referees! There have always been mistakes and there always will be.

However, in a fair system, this balances itself out in the medium and long term, so that each club has approximately the same error rate pro/contra. Negreira's system worked by shifting that balance significantly towards Pro Barca.

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Saj to je prav tipično za tiste nesposobneže. Tudi če so res hoteli vplivati na sodnike jim to dejansko ni uspelo kljub nakazanim milijonom. :lol: Sicer vem, da sem pristranski ampak mislim, da vsak objektiven (kar mnogi tudi pišejo) spremljevalec La lige ve, da Barca ni zmagovala zaradi sodnikov in ni imela v primerjavi z Madridom "boljšega" sojenja. Eno tekmo je bil oškodovan en, drugo drug ampak v ligi se to nekako zgliha skoz vsa kola, bi precej bolj verjel v kakšne zarote v določenih tekmah v LP tako za Barco kot Real. Je pa res, da to ne pomeni, da niso hoteli podkupovati sodnikov, za tisto bagro ne dam roke v ogenj za nobeno afero. 

 

Kakšen shitshow je spremljati Barco izven igrišča v zadnjem desetletju. Afera na afero, bruka na bruko, preklet naj bo dan ko sta bila izvoljena Rosell in Barto. Sem mislil, da bo njuna zapuščina na klub negativno vplivala še nekaj let, je pa vedno bolj očitno, da bomo govorili o desetletjih ali pa kar za vedno. 

 

Sem pa tudi v španskih medijih zasledil nekaj kar sem pisal pred časom in sicer, da so taka plačila in lobiranje standard v zakulisnih igricah in da so le Barco "izdali" in leakali te podatke, ker so v vojni z Tebasom, v resnici pa podobno počnejo tudi drugi. Lahko je to samo izgovor Barcinih novinarjev, lahko je pa podobna situacija kot pred leti z edinim davčnim prestopnikom v nogometu Messijem in davki kar se je na koncu izkazalo za standard med veliko top nogometaši.

 

 

 

 

 

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Ok, še nekaj bolj resnih zadev.

 

Pedri bo pripravljen za El clasico, Dembele je out.

 

Laporta in Alemany sta se včeraj v Portu sestala z Mendesom. Naj bi naredili napredek glede podaljšanja pogodbe Baldeja. Mendes naj bi tudi iskal klub v EPL za Fatija, čeprav se še odločajo, ali bo šlo za prodajo ali samo posojo. Ne vem no, meni se EPL ob njegovem trenutnem fizičnem stanju ne zdi ravno najbolj primerna liga, so pa res edini, ki mu lahko dajo tako plačo in če se klub odloči za prodajo tudi kaj plačajo zanj. Bomo videli, jaz še ne bi čisto obupal nad njim. Verjetno bi bilo najboljše prodati Raphinho, ki še vedno ima neko vrednost, uporabljati Ferrana za backup Dembeleju, potem pa pripeljati novega LW za konkurenco Ansuju. Marcus Thuram bi bil kar ok opcija, ker bi lahko bil tudi backup Lewi, a ne verjamem, da bi prišel. 

 

No, saj itak nobenega ne bo, ker nas bodo vrgli v Segundo. :mafija: 

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ronaldinho reče pred 1 uro:

 

A si bil na tekmi z Valencio? Se mi zdi, da si pred časom pisal, da greš.

Jap, odlično je bilo, 90000 ljudi skoraj, sonce, sama tekma je bila pač slaba, ker je na žalost Valencia v kurcu, ampak all in all, odlična izkušnja, bom šel pred koncem sezone še na kakšno tekmo...

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