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[MikeHunt]

mogu bi napisat inb4 

 

rusom je zmanjkalo modernega orozja, zato uporabljajo zdaj stare zaloge

 

 

se opravicujem to je bila moja napaka

 

 

P.S. v tej vojni, je Ukrajina dokumentirano vsaj 4x izvedla napade s tem tipom rakete.

 

 

LP

 

[zzarafrustra]

kmjr reče pred 18 minutami:

 

 

Zanimiva razlaga. 

 

Možno da bodo tako želeli pojasniti prvo pravo vojaško ofenzivno v tej vojni - po sicer Ukrajinskih virih Rusijaa pripravlja več tisoč tankov, letal in ostale mašinerije za napad na Donbass - torej možno je, da bomo videli prvo pravo "pregaženje" Ukrajinske vojske. (hence povečano število ofenzivnih orožij) 

[kmjr]

Sej, zanimivo mi je bilo, ker sam nisem niti pomislil na to dokler nisem prebral. 
 

Ce krenejo jurisat na prioravljeno ukrajinsko obrambo, se ne bo dobro koncalo niti za ruse

 

razen, ce jih na hitro obkolijo in izstradajo

[Wallux]

Ko kle rusofile berem se mi zdi, da Rusov sploh ni v Ukrajini in da Ukrajinci kar sami sebe random bombardirajo in pobijajo. Yeah,  why the fuck not. 

[kmjr]

Ni, da, ki smo dalec od sveta v katerem bi to bila

ena od realnih opcij.  

[zzarafrustra]

kmjr reče pred 23 minutami:

Sej, zanimivo mi je bilo, ker sam nisem niti pomislil na to dokler nisem prebral. 
 

Ce krenejo jurisat na prioravljeno ukrajinsko obrambo, se ne bo dobro koncalo niti za ruse

 

razen, ce jih na hitro obkolijo in izstradajo

Hja malo pričakujem bagdad tip situacije. hudo bombardiranje z vsem kar imajo potem pa vstop pehote in tankov. bo pa jebeno. 

[kmjr]

Najhujsi scenarij :/ 

8. april 2022 uredilo bitje kmjr

[ChAiN]

najnovejše: Glavna ruska propagandistka

 pravi, da je treba zradirat ukrajino, k so si htel prilastit Boršt. 

 

pa še pijana k čep je zgledala 

 

specialna operacija

https://tenor.com/bk6nJ.gif

 

 

 

 

 

8. april 2022 uredilo bitje ChAiN

[maksi]

kmjr reče pred 1 uro:

Najhujsi scenarij :/ 

in pričakovan

 

zzarafrustra reče pred 1 uro:

Hja malo pričakujem bagdad tip situacije. hudo bombardiranje z vsem kar imajo potem pa vstop pehote in tankov. bo pa jebeno. 

ne, tole so ravno naredili Nemci v Stalingradu (in Monte Cassino ter nemški padalci), bombardiranje in izstradanje nasprotnika je edina možnost v sodobnem vojskovanju brez hudih izgub

8. april 2022 uredilo bitje maksi

[bleachedagnus]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/bretton-woods-iii-china-begins-buying-russian-coal-and-oil-yuan

[sadhu sequencer]

Putin je ruski BDP kolapsiral do abnormalnih meja. Čez dve leti bo Nigerija bolj razvita od RF, če se Rusi ne rešijo kremeljskega Hitlerja.

 

Ruski poraz v Ukrajini bo Putinov naslednik moral nekako popravit z boljšo diplomatsko držo.

[Flamingo]

Wallux reče pred 2 urama:

Ko kle rusofile berem se mi zdi, da Rusov sploh ni v Ukrajini in da Ukrajinci kar sami sebe random bombardirajo in pobijajo. Yeah,  why the fuck not. 

 

Sej tale tema so sami še 3 rusofili, ki spamajo propagando non stop. Tema primerna za na gnoj

[sadhu sequencer]

 

[Aktivist Vanč]

zzarafrustra reče pred 2 urama:

Hja malo pričakujem bagdad tip situacije. hudo bombardiranje z vsem kar imajo potem pa vstop pehote in tankov. bo pa jebeno. 

 

Ni druga kot, da se pripavimo. Si še ohranil fulltacitalgear?

[maksi]

propagando lol, 90% MSM ukrajinske vojne je zahodna propaganda

8. april 2022 uredilo bitje maksi

[Wallux]

maksi reče pred 22 minutami:

propagando lol, 90% MSM ukrajinske vojne je zahodna propaganda

 

Čist vsaka pizdarija, ki se zgodi, jo hočete podvalit Ukrajincem. Ker kao ruska vojska ni zmožna kej tazga narest.

8. april 2022 uredilo bitje Wallux

[MikeHunt]

 

 

 

 

lolchy, it was the russkies.

LP

[Marvin]

ChAiN reče pred 13 urami:

najnovejše: Glavna ruska propagandistka

 pravi, da je treba zradirat ukrajino, k so si htel prilastit Boršt. 

 

pa še pijana k čep je zgledala 

 

specialna operacija

https://tenor.com/bk6nJ.gif

Legendarno:

 

[kmjr]

Ne bi nic rekel, ce ne bi nila glavna tema cel teden, ko so hrvati probali geografsko zasciti kranjsko klobaso pa teran. 
 

Ne vem kako se je razpletlo, najbrz so hrvati dobili  vse, mi pa nic. 

[mutiranec]

Navedek

I have never understood all the faming of the FIM-92A Stinger: not in Afghanistan, not in Angola, nor anywhere else.

The weapon 'functioned well' only in one role: ambushing Soviet aircraft and helicopters taking off or landing at their bases. I.e. the Afghan Bureau of the ISI was carefully coordinating Mujaheddin to send their firing teams close to Soviet and Afghan air bases and then set up ambushes there. Whenever deployed in the open field, it was as useless as all the other MANPADs - including the Blowpipe, not to talk about SA-7. In Angola, for example, the Cubans - who had absolutely no means to counter it (i.e. contrary to the Soviets: they had no flare dispensers) - quickly learned to counter it by flying low and fast. Angolans were less sophisticated and thus less-effective: they followed the Soviet advice and bombed from high altitudes. That was about the 'most effect' anybody has ever got from the Stinger. Unsurprisingly, and sorry, but the entire myth about 'forcing Soviets out of Afghanistan' was always BS.

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More important things now.... remember my 'Keystone Cops in Moscow'...?

It turned out that the principal reason for all of RFA's defeats so far was that there was no unified command. The HQs of the West OSK and the South OSK played no role in operations so far. None at all.

Faithfully along the principle, 'let all the guys earn their medals', Putin - and even Shoygu - has ignored the way the RFA is organised and meant to operate: he left every single GTA and CAA involved to command its own troops and run its own logistics - and that along Putin's orders, based on Putin's political interests. Of course, Putin was issuing only his usual, 'rough' directives, but then every army commander was acting along what Putin told him (while having no combat experience at all and constantly violating the RFA's doctrine).

...what a surprise the result was a total screw up, a fuck-up of historic proportions. 'Keystone Cops in Moscow': this is explaining all the headless-rushing of units; these de-facto running over each other; lack of coordination even between the 35th and 36th CAA north-west of Kyiv; the total collapse of the 1st GTA, lack of close air support (i.e. what some of US experts called 'non-appearance' of the VKS) etc., etc., etc. Simply expressed: there was no coordination between armies at all. Each army commander was acting on his own, along 'order from above'.

BTW, that included operations south of Izium, and all the assaults on the Severodonetsk area of the last few days. See: Putin - separately - ordered the 1st GTA and the 20th CAA to pass through positions of the battered 6th CAA and 'encircle the LOC' from the north. Simultaneously, he ordered the 1st AC to do so from the east. Both without any coordination between these four commanders! Each Colonel General then followed his own set of orders ('to the last dot and comma'), resulting in a situation where each army was acting on its own, 'regardless the cost'...

....BTW, this is explaining even why all the 'humanitarian corridors' didn't work. For example: how should anybody on the Russian side have coordinated exit of civilians out of Mariupol, if these had to pass through the areas controlled by the 8th and then the 58th CAA - if the two didn't coordinate even their combat operations....?!?

Now, I do not know who has managed the following feat (that is yet to be seen), but yesterday, the entire chain of command of the RFA in Ukraine was re-organised - back to what it should have been. Henceforth, all the operations in Ukraine are to be run the way the RFA is meant to fight: from one, unified command. This is going to be the South OSK, commanded by Army General Aleksander Dvornikov.

Pay attention: in the next few days we're going to hear Western commentary about Dvornikov's 'combat experience from Syria'. I say, up front: give me a break with Russian 'combat experiences in Syria'. That's BS. Every Russian general, and every pilot/crew of the VKS has that 'combat experience from Syria' - and we've seen what did it bring them so far. It's entirely useless.

What's much more important is this:

- a) the RFA is indoctrinated, organised, equipped and trained so to be commanded by HQ of local military districts; so far, it wasn't operating that way; henceforth, it is going to do so.

- b) Dvornikov is a rank higher than all the army commanders (they're Colonel-Generals). This means there will be no discussions about his orders, none of usual competition between generals, like there was so far. More importantly, the officers are not going to de-facto 'abandon their troops in advance' after receiving Putin's idiotic orders, and forwarding these to their troops. Now there is a clear chain of command and thus clear chain of responsibility.

Furthermore, Dvornikov's troops - 49th CAA and the 58th CAA - have performed far better than those of any other armies (even if, yes, eventually becoming stalled after suffering massive losses due to personal interventions by Putin, who was rushing them into head-long charges, like at Voznesensk, Mariupol, and Zaporozhye of 4-10 March).

Right now, I have no idea about the level of Shoygu's involvement in all of this. I can only guess that this 'reorganisation' must've had his consent, if not outright support. Perhaps it is so that he has managed to explain the situation to Putin so that the latter had to accept it. Alternatively, perhaps Dvornikov has enough influence upon Putin (nobody else 'in Moscow' matters any more)? One way or the other: traditinoally, an exceptionally important factor in the Soviet/Russian military hierarchy is the level of influence the 'theatre commander' is exercising 'in Moscow'. No clear idea, yet, so it's pointless to continue guessing.

What does this all mean for the future of the war in Ukraine?

While I guess that, once this becomes known to the media, there will be lots of commentary in style of, 'political interests are going to take precedence over military priorities' - I expect exactly the opposite to happen: military reality is going to take precedence over political interests. Of course, Dvornikov is going to try acheiving some kind of major success 'prior to that famed date' (9 May), but by having all the strings in his hands, he's going to have it easier to coordinate operations, too.

We can see this already on reports about developments of yesterday: it seems, the RFA has stopped all of its (so far: pointless and costly) advances. They stopped pushing forward south of Izium, they stopped pushing forward in the Severodonetsk area. They seem to be withdrawing from the Kharkiv area, too (and leaving beyond large minefields).

 

Tom Cooper
Editor, ACIG.info
Series Editor, @War series
Helion & Co.

 

 

[Wallux]

kmjr reče pred 1 uro:

Ne bi nic rekel, ce ne bi nila glavna tema cel teden, ko so hrvati probali geografsko zasciti kranjsko klobaso pa teran. 
 

Ne vem kako se je razpletlo, najbrz so hrvati dobili  vse, mi pa nic. 

 

Ja, med vojno smo se prerekal o teh stvareh, a ne?

[kmjr]

Wallux reče pred 6 minutami:

 

Ja, med vojno smo se prerekal o teh stvareh, a ne?

A tisto ob Hotizi je bla vojna?  
 

meni ne bolj nenavadna sovraznost v miru kot v vojni

 

v vojni je nekako samoumevna, v miru niti ne

9. april 2022 uredilo bitje kmjr

[zzarafrustra]

mutiranec reče pred 2 urama:

 

 

To je največji problem te vojne. Pred vojno je bilo rečeno toliko in sedaj večino ljudi vodi confirmation bias. Gledamo isti problem kot je bil recimo očiten pri covid-19 podpornikov - sindrom "see I told you so". Ta ošabnost zahoda mislim da je najbolj nevaren element v konfliktih, ki prihajajo. Model dobesedno ponavlja vse kar je rekel v preteklosti. 

[Wallux]

kmjr reče pred 1 uro:

A tisto ob Hotizi je bla vojna?  
 

meni ne bolj nenavadna sovraznost v miru kot v vojni

 

v vojni je nekako samoumevna, v miru niti ne

 

Ja v vojni se boš prereku o geografski zaščiti jedi. Ker to je jako važno med vojno.

[zzarafrustra]

New Kiev-drafted agreement marks departure from provisions recorded in Istanbul — Lavrov - World - TASS

 

tole je kr huge. rusija očitno igra na kijev je kriv karto

[zzarafrustra]

Gledamo pa zaostritev ne zmanjšanja konflikta, še posebno s strani Amerike, ki samo šteje mrtve Ruse in podpihuje konflikt kjer lahko. razen če so rusi na robu zloma ali Kiev nima več sposobnih enot dvomim da smo blizu koncu

9. april 2022 uredilo bitje zzarafrustra

[BlueSan]

Proper independant novinar o dejanskem stanju in o ogromnm št. mrtvih

 

 

[kmjr]

Beloruska (opozicijska) nexta poroca, da se ruske sile zopet koncentrirajo v belorusiji in sklepajo, da bodo sli se enkrat na Kijev. 

[Kruz]

[zzarafrustra]

BlueSan reče pred 1 uro:

Proper independant novinar o dejanskem stanju in o ogromnm št. mrtvih

 

 

zanimivo. predvsem go govori o tem, da zahodni model vojskovanja, žrtev etc. apliciramo na ruskega, čeprav so pokazali, da se bojujejo drugače. Ameriški vojaški analisti po pravilu to interpretirajo kot da se bojujjejo slabše ampak ključna beseda je DRUGAČE: očitno so pripravljeni žrtvovati mnogo več življenje kot ameri. Tu sicer nastopi problem. IN to je v opremi. Zakaj, če je tmu tako in do neke mere brez dvoma je, Rusi tako brezbrižno žrtvujejo opremo?