Vojna tretjega sveta

[nimious]

BlueSan reče pred 8 urami:

 

A na videu kot ta recimo? Sej to ne rabimo nikogar slepit, čim je vojna ni nič več črno belo, ampak je polno sivine na obeh straneh in dejstvo je, da Ruska taktika vojskovanja veliko manj upošteva civiliste kot zahodni svet.

 

Model, ti to resno? Dej spomni me, kok mest so rusi klele že zravnali z zemljo? Tko kot so jih američani na bližnjem vzhodu.

Pa kok teh "civilistov" je blo oboroženih, in so napadali ruse? Američani niti tega izgovora niso meli, k so poslali pehoto šele v zradirana mesta.

Fak no, neki je verjeti slabi propagandi, sam tole je pa že res next lvl. 

[tyne]

Lol, dej poglej si Mariupol, predmestja Kijeva, za piko na i pa še Grozni po zaključku vojne (al je bila posebna vojaška operacija?)

25. marec 2022 uredilo bitje tyne

[Death]

Zanimivo. Kot kaže so šli Ukrajinci na protiofenzivo na nekaj točkah - Kherson in okoli Brovarya. Pa da vidimo, kaj se bo izkazalo.

[G.T.I.]

Death reče Pravkar:

Zanimivo. Kot kaže so šli Ukrajinci na protiofenzivo na nekaj točkah - Kherson in okoli Brovarya. Pa da vidimo, kaj se bo izkazalo.

Kako? To mora biti fake news s strani Ukrajine, ce je Bunnee eksplicitno rekel da ni mogoce da Ukrajina naredi protiofenzivo proti Veliki Rusiji 

25. marec 2022 uredilo bitje G.T.I.

[Kakarotto]

BlueSan reče pred 9 urami:

Pejte si sami iskat informacije, ki niso obarvane v eno ali drugo barvo, marsikaj je dostopno, sam čas si je treba vzeti

Res zelo zelo težko boš prišel do nekompromiranih podatkov oziroma je res, da si bo za kaj takega treba vzeti veliko časa in moraš biti tudi s stroke, da si jih potem znaš interpretirati. Že to je velik razlog za to kar se gremo v tej temi. Kar vzame več kot 5 minut našega časa spregledamo in povzamemo kar nam paše in goni/potrjuje lastno nepremakljivo agendo. Vsi smo del zahodnega ali vzhodnega propagandnega ustroja

25. marec 2022 uredilo bitje Kakarotto

[Kruz]

tyne reče pred 57 minutami:

Lol, dej poglej si Mariupol, predmestja Kijeva, za piko na i pa še Grozni po zaključku vojne (al je bila posebna vojaška operacija?)

pol pa poglejmo grozni

 

 

pa še bagdad

 

25. marec 2022 uredilo bitje Vrhovni_Plenum_OF

[Thrivial]

kmjr reče pred 14 urami:

Ce bi vecina pisala v prid rusom, bi bil jaz zagotovo odprro na drugi strani v teh forumskih debatah.

 

 

Kar precej strani v tem threadu ima večinsko pro-rusko naklonjenost, tako da - izvoli, ti dajem izziv, da še njih malo demantiraš. 

[kmjr]

Thrivial reče pred 5 minutami:

 

 

Kar precej strani v tem threadu ima večinsko pro-rusko naklonjenost, tako da - izvoli, ti dajem izziv, da še njih malo demantiraš. 

 

Naj demantiram tiste forumske strani, ki imajo "pro-rusko naklonjenost" praviš, al kaj točno predlagaš? Navedi številko strani, preberem, pa lahko podam kratko analizo

 

 

 

 

 

 

[kmjr]

BlueSan reče pred 3 urami:

Sploh nisem vedel, da ima mn3njalnik chat opcijo.

 

 

Odprem pa vidm.... No comment resno haha


 

 

 

no homo

 

[Kakarotto]

Vrhovni_Plenum_OF reče pred 15 minutami:

pol pa poglejmo grozni

 

 

pa še bagdad

 

Ko pa jaz iščem je pa tako:

Bagdad

 

Grozny

25. marec 2022 uredilo bitje Kakarotto

[Thrivial]

kmjr reče pred 3 minutami:

 

Naj demantiram tiste forumske strani, ki imajo "pro-rusko naklonjenost" praviš, al kaj točno predlagaš? Navedi številko strani, preberem, pa lahko podam kratko analizo

 

 

Tvoja izjava je bila, da se boš postavil na stran manj zagovarjanje manjšine in če bi bila razmerja drugačna, bi na mn3 argumentiral proti-rusko stran. 

Že na prejšnji strani je recimo razmerje 16:14 v korist Rusije: 

 

[Kruz]

Kakarotto reče pred 12 minutami:

Ko pa jaz iščem je pa tako:

Bagdad

 

 

Grozny

 

sam tvoj problem je, da moji sta obe iz 2020, tvoja pa iz 2000

 

  

Thrivial reče pred 10 minutami:

 

 

Že na prejšnji strani je recimo razmerje 16:14 v korist Rusije: 

 

Rusija, Rusija, idemooo, idemooo. Can't stop winning

 

 

25. marec 2022 uredilo bitje Vrhovni_Plenum_OF

[Kakarotto]

To je drug problem kot to na kar je bilo namignjeno. 

[Kruz]

Kakarotto reče Pravkar:

To je drug problem kot to na kar je bilo namignjeno. 

Jp. Tvoj največji problem je, da si se s tistim postom spustil na moj (greznični) nivo. Ker si vpadel v neko trumpistično janšistično drkanje. Slabo.

25. marec 2022 uredilo bitje Vrhovni_Plenum_OF

[Kakarotto]

Nene, to je zdaj tvoj problem. Sej ne skrbi, tu boš nedvoumno zmagal.

[Kruz]

Uuuu, kakaroto si bo mazal roke

[mutiranec]

Navedek

Tom Cooper review for the last 48-60 hours (22-24 Mar, 22) - and it's going to be an unusually long report. Thus, grab yourself some coffee or tchay....

STRATEGIC
Yesterday, on 24 Mar, it was one month since Putin’s special three-day denazification of Ukraine began…

Putin has ordered all the oil/gas exports henceforth have to be paid in Russian Rubel. This is both a bluff and a two-edged sword. On one side, currently valid contracts are all of the long-term kind: i.e. covering imports for not only this, but also the next year; indeed, many go all the way to 2024-2025. Of course, all are stipulating payments in €. Demanding payments in Rubel instead, would be a violation of such contract and – in long term – have massive penalties as a consequence (for Moscow). On the other side, this caused a rift within the EU: while nearly all of the members are now insistent on stopping all imports of Russian oil and gas, and even Germany and the Czech Republic might think twice about whether to continue importing, Austria is absolutely against such a decision. In an interview with the Austrian TV, Glorious Megastar Chancellor Nehamer (ÖVP, where members openly call themselves 'whores of the rich') stressed that there is no way he's going to support a complete stop, right away.

As far as I know, that was the stand from the last evening, and nothing has changed in this regards – not even when Biden made offers for US deliveries.

So, now, in order to pay Russian oil/gas in Rubel, Austria (and others) has/have to buy Rubel - from the Russian Central Bank, the assets of which are frozen by sanctions imposed by the EU. I.e. members of the EU have to subvert their own sanctions....

AIR
The Ukrainians claimed 11 Russian airborne targets (5 jets, 1 helicopter, 4 UAVs, and 1 ballistic missile) as shot down on 23 Mar – for their ‘best day’ in this war so far - and another 8 on 24 Mar. Haven’t found any kind of evidence for anything of this (just one new video, shown wreckage of a Mi-24/35 shot down on 5 Mar).

The People in the Need of Fresh Air say the Russians have fired over 1,200 ballistic missiles in four weeks of war, and assumes they have spent about 50% of their stock of air- and sea-launched cruise missiles (especially those launched by Tu-95 and Tu-160 bombers).

An Ukrainian An-124 is known to have landed at Tekirdag Corlu IAP, from which the Bayraktar UCAVs are exported, yesterday. Probably picking additional drones and ammo. I can add that ‘elements of the Ukrainian air force’ are active in relation to similar efforts, ‘elsewhere in Europe’, but I do not feel at free to go into details. Let me just add (because this is ‘week old news’, meanwhile), that Ukraine is meanwhile receiving plenty of additional arms – including specific types of heavy arms, some delivered by transport aircraft, others by other means – the mass of which is never mentioned by US, NATO, and EU reports with a single word.

NORTH
By now it is sure: north-west of Kyiv, the Ukrainian Army is on offensive. However, that’s no ‘classic’, large-scale operation with a simultaneous push from multiple directions. Rather, it’s a series of drives launched at different points in time and place, through and deep behind the Russian frontlines, with the aim of disturbing their ‘rear’. See: blowing up their camps, supply depots, HQs or causing other kind of losses, and then quickly withdrawing before the RFA can intervene with superior forces or artillery. The Ukrainians are liberating very little of terrain in this fashion: AFAIK, they’ve secured only Lukyanivka and Lukashi, the last two days. Instead, they are causing losses to the 35th and 36th CAA, and then trying to avoid counter-blows. It is an effective method of forcing the Russians back, outside the 25km range of their artillery from the downtown Kyiv. It is effective in keeping the 35th and the 36th CAA on defensive, but is insufficient to destroy them, or encircle and cause their capitulation.

East of Kyiv, the Ukrainians have forced the 90th TD and other Russian forces to withdraw from Brovary to Bohdanivka, and the 2nd GMRD to withdraw away from the highway to Poltava and Lukyanivka, to Nova Basan and Novi Bykiv. Indeed, it is possible that by today, these were forced to pull back all the way to the eastern side of the Suply River.

The reason the Ukrainians have managed this is that already 3-4 days ago (sorry, didn’t dare revealing this in the public at the time), the Ukrainians attacked from the south into the deep flank of the 2nd GCAA. For example, I know that at the time they have liberated several villages only 5-10km south of the H-07 highway. For example: Hostroluchchya, possibly Voitove and Usivka.

Now, whether the 2nd GCAA had to withdraw all the way back to Suply or ‘just’ to Bohdanivka, one thing is sure: the Russian assault into eastern Kyiv is now over. If I’m to ask, this is the most significant success of the Ukrainians in this war, far more so than NW of their capitol. Furthermore, it’s interesting to see the Ukrainians ‘can survive’ a battle in the open spaces, where the Russians have it easier to find and target them, than inside cities.

NORTH-EAST
Since 23 Mar, the RFA is assaulting the town of Slavutych. This is on the eastern side of the Dnepr, about 100km north of Kyiv, and south of Chernobyl. The place is best known for its nuclear facilities. Ironically, the area was widely considered as ‘already under the Russian control’ almost since the RFA took Chernobyl, but now it turns out they didn’t get there before. First news are indicating the local checkpoints and outposts being shelled, followed by a Russian advance down the western and then southern side of the town. Guess, by now it might be surrounded, i.e. cut off from Kyiv – except the Ukrainians have managed to counterattack from or towards the south.

The VKS bombed Chernihiv violently, all through 22 and 23 Mar, causing dozens of fires. It bombed out a bridge across the Desna River, cutting off the last significant road connection to Kyiv and thus interrupting evacuation of local civilians. However, on the ground, the 41st CAA actually withdrew a few kilometres away: i.e. it broke the direct contact with Ukrainian garrison. It’s only keeping Chernihiv under continuous air strikes and artillery barrages.

The Russians are ‘only’ shelling Sumy, but the 1st GTA (by now reinforced to more than 20 BTGs, foremost from the 4th GTD) is bitterly assaulting Okhtyrka and Trostyanets, further south. The fighting for these two Ukrainian garrisons is going on for some 3-4 days without interruption now, and both towns should’ve been reduced to piles of rubble: reportedly, the Russians are in control of about half of Trostyanets, but still outside Okhtyrka.

This is a kind of battle of attrition which the Ukrainians can’t win in long term: they lack resources and firepower.

EAST
Kharkiv: not much changed there: the frontlines are idle for nearly a week now, but the Russians are bombing and shelling at will. Much more serious is the situation south-east of Kharkiv – in the Izium area. The Russians are particularly active in the Izium area, which they claim to have captured (by their 144th MRD). This is nothing but a lie: if the place is as ‘unimportant’ and ‘captured’ as the Keystone Cops in Moscow are reporting, then why report about it at all? Moreover, if it’s captured, then why shell the ruins of Izium with incendiaries – as obvious from the attached photo, taken by the mayor of the town, on the evening of 23 Mar?
Except for trying to secure Izium, the 144th is also attacking Petrivske, further west. As far as I can say by now, the Ukrainians must have deployed at least one of their reserve brigades there, because their positions are holding out for some 4-5 days already.

That said, Izium is going to remain the focal area of this war at least for the next few days.

Reason? Because the Ukrainians have mauled the 42nd GMRD’s attempt to attack Zhitomir so badly, and then caused it further heavy losses in the Malynivka area, east of Hulaypolye, yesterday, that the 58th CAA is now entirely unable to re-launch its advance from the south - and because the 8th CAA is so busy with besieging Mariupol that it lacks troops to attack the Ukrainians on the LOC from the south.

In the Luhansk area the Russians continued pounding Rubizhne, Severodonetsk, and Popasna with artillery, but didn’t launch any new attacks. However, the 8th CAA and Separatists have punched through the first and second Ukrainian defence lines and entered the centre of Verkhnotoretske, north of Donetsk, early on 23 Mar.

This is bad news: it’s forcing the Ukrainians to either withdraw from their positions south of Horlivka, or to counterattack in attempt to recover the place, and thus expose themselves to the superior enemy firepower. I’m not yet sure what did they decide.

SOUTH
Mariupol: about 80% of the city is heavily damaged meanwhile. Essentially, it’s a collection of ruins, with thousands of dead and dying inside. Whoever can is picking bodies and burying them in local parks.

What happened with people sheltering under the Drama Theatre and the Swimming Pool is only partially known. About 5,000 civilians were evacuated from Mariupol to Zaporozhye during the last three days. Between them were few survivors of the intentional Russian air strike on the Drama Theatre, on 16 Mar, and thus it is now known that about 400 people that were inside the shelter in the basement have survived. However, at least 200, perhaps as many as 300 – foremost those working in the field kitchen, waiting for water, and all the volunteers helping – were killed, most of them on the spot (at least because of impossibility to provide them with first aid, or bring them to nearby hospitals).

Another 7,000 citizens of Mariupol were deported by the Russians over the last two days – and many more are to follow: the Rosgvardia is driving around the city and announcing per loudspeakers, that an evacuation to Zaporozhye is now impossible.

Despite having their 810th Naval Infantry Brigade mauled in downtown Mariupol (including the death of its commander), on 20 and 21 Mar, the Russians attacked into the centre of the city so hard, on 23, the Ukrainian garrison was forced to withdraw from the airport (west of the city) in order to bolster their defences there, while the Azov drove out its few T-64s that are still operational.

This is a typical result of urban fighting: it takes plenty of troops to secure relatively small areas that are densely built-up.

The defenders – including an infantry and the tank battalion of the Azov Regiment, the 36th Brigade, and the Marine Brigade – still control the city centre, the Myra Avenue, part of the Primorsky District and Kalmiusky District: i.e. something like 16 out of city’s 23 neighbourhoods. They have claimed a VKS fighter-bomber shot down, on 22 Mar, too, but their messages are clear: they are demanding help with the Russian airpower, because this is causing most of civilian deaths.

Local authorities are estimating that around 100,000 civilians are still inside the area controlled by the Ukrainian forces. Commander of the local Police, General Aroskin, offered to give himself to the Russians, in exchange for guarantee that all the remaining children would be left out. So far, there was no response from Mizintsev (CO 8th CAA and thus the commander of the siege of Mariupol).

Further west…. An accident during the unloading of the Alligator-class amphib Orsk in the port of Burdyansk resulted in a major conflagration that wrecked the ship. Two other amphibs – both of the Ropucha-class – were damaged, but managed to distance on time. (Yes, sure: the Ukrainians claimed to have hit this ship with a Tochka-U; and, no doubt, they did try to do so, several days ago. But, videos shown the onset of this conflagration do not show any kind of a missile hit; rather a relatively small detonation on the ship.)

The 49th CAA’s position in the Kherson area remains poor, and thus its command brought in an engineering brigade to quickly construct a defence line along western approaches to the city. In turn, Ukrainians are held at bay with help of airpower. However, on 22 Mar, one of VKS air strikes hit own troops in the Mykolaiv area, reportedly obliterating an entire column of RFA’s military vehicles (this is based on intercepted RFA radio-traffic). The last night (24 to 25 Mar), the Ukrainians have heavily hit the RFA troops at the Kherson airport – this time with a massive MLRS-barrage. The Russians ‘retaliated’ with at least one Kalibr cruise missile: this should’ve hit someplace in the port of Mykolaiv.

 

Tom Cooper
Editor, ACIG.info
Series Editor, @War series
Helion & Co.

 

The People in the Need of Fresh Air -> Pentagon.

25. marec 2022 uredilo bitje mutiranec
The People in the Need of Fresh Air

[Kakarotto]

Vrhovni_Plenum_OF reče pred 23 minutami:

Uuuu, kakaroto si bo mazal roke

Da, kot od prvega posta v tej temi naprej. Ne živim v utvari, da če porinem roko v drek da bo kar čista in dišala po rožcah.

 

Vseeno, si videl moj mojstrski post, ko sem vas naštel vse majstre, ki vam je brezpogojno kul kar počne rusija sem ter tja Sej ko sem tapkal sem se v vsej introspekciji, ki jo premorem zamislil, nasmejal in rekel, da sem res butl v kaj se spuščam in upam da sem s tem od tega koga odvrnil. Ker resno, what do you expect to achieve here Kakarotto, WHAT?!?!  

25. marec 2022 uredilo bitje Kakarotto

[Bunnee]

Kakarotto reče pred 4 urami:

Ja, to nekater folk tu misli, bravo. In čestitke za nedvoumno izbiro strani. Kdaj romas na vzhod? Vidim, da te je njihova propaganda navdahnila za sprejem resnih dejanj in boš najbrž jutri tam kjer se cedita med in mleko in boš potem odprl live kanal za nas bedake, ki bomo ostali tu, da bomo spremljali kaj zamujamo.

 

Glede umiranja civilnega prebivalstva v tej vojni pa  se valda vedno okrivi tistega, ki se brani na svojem ozemlju in ne agresorja. To je fakt. Še en bravo zajček, z moje strani. 

A si v redu Kak? Normalno dihas? Se enkrat, sem proti zahodu v trenutnem izdanju, pa mi je vseeno kdo vodi konjenico. So it happened, da so to trenutno Rusi. Pa sta sad? Ostali tako lepo uzivate v medu in mleku, da se legalno sprenevedate kako slabo gre zatiranim na drugih straneh sveta. “Bolje oni, kot pa mi”. Ne, kvecjemu ste na visji instanci kolektivne zavesti, ker vi veste kaj je prava stran, ker ipak zivite v civilizaciji, ki je nedotaknjena zadnjih 80 let, ampak bog ne daj da se prestopi nevidno linijo, ko bo gazda ali samo udaril z roko po mizi, ali pa kaznoval? Zelo enostavno je kazati s prstom na kriminalne ruse, obenem pa se pozabi na sankcije, ki jih vrsijo tudi instance, ko bi mogle biti apoliticne. Svicarji so ze nebroj let nevtralni, pa so vseeno rabili 3 dni da izberejo strani? Jih kaka ruska nevodena raketa ogroza? World bank group? Praviloma apoliticna, pa se je izkazalo da ni res. In ce so te in se mnoge druge instance kaznovale Rusijo z danimi sankcijami, kaj jim preprecuje sjebati mnogo manjse in sibkejse drzave nazaj v kameno dobo? Kaj se zgodi, ce zacnejo imeti Americani nerealne pogoje za sodelovanje z njimi? Ali pa ce si povprecen Slovenec zeli malo vec avtonomije? Vse kar rabijo je da zalaufajo medijsko masinerijo in nas zacnejo oznacevati za genociden narod. V roku enega tedna bomo smet Evrope.

[keba]

[maksi]

BlueSan reče pred 11 urami:

da Ruska taktika vojskovanja veliko manj upošteva civiliste kot zahodni svet.

a ti to resno

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

 

vse od teh so bili cilj civilno prebivalstvo, ne vojaške tarče, in so vojni zločini brez pardona

 

aja, da ne omenjamo osiromašen uran pri sodobnem vojaškem arzenalu ZDA

25. marec 2022 uredilo bitje maksi

[ana]

Bunnee reče pred 15 minutami:

A si v redu Kak? Normalno dihas? Se enkrat, sem proti zahodu v trenutnem izdanju, pa mi je vseeno kdo vodi konjenico. So it happened, da so to trenutno Rusi. Pa sta sad? Ostali tako lepo uzivate v medu in mleku, da se legalno sprenevedate kako slabo gre zatiranim na drugih straneh sveta. “Bolje oni, kot pa mi”. Ne, kvecjemu ste na visji instanci kolektivne zavesti, ker vi veste kaj je prava stran, ker ipak zivite v civilizaciji, ki je nedotaknjena zadnjih 80 let, ampak bog ne daj da se prestopi nevidno linijo, ko bo gazda ali samo udaril z roko po mizi, ali pa kaznoval? Zelo enostavno je kazati s prstom na kriminalne ruse, obenem pa se pozabi na sankcije, ki jih vrsijo tudi instance, ko bi mogle biti apoliticne. Svicarji so ze nebroj let nevtralni, pa so vseeno rabili 3 dni da izberejo strani? Jih kaka ruska nevodena raketa ogroza? World bank group? Praviloma apoliticna, pa se je izkazalo da ni res. In ce so te in se mnoge druge instance kaznovale Rusijo z danimi sankcijami, kaj jim preprecuje sjebati mnogo manjse in sibkejse drzave nazaj v kameno dobo? Kaj se zgodi, ce zacnejo imeti Americani nerealne pogoje za sodelovanje z njimi? Ali pa ce si povprecen Slovenec zeli malo vec avtonomije? Vse kar rabijo je da zalaufajo medijsko masinerijo in nas zacnejo oznacevati za genociden narod. V roku enega tedna bomo smet Evrope.

To je čista histerija. Mimogrede kdo ti je rekel, da nevtralne države ne morejo ukrepati proti drugim državam? V praksi na primer nevtralnost pomeni, da bo šel irski denar v EU skladu za čelade, humanitarno pomoč in podobne zadeve in ne za vojaško opremo. 

25. marec 2022 uredilo bitje ana

[maksi]

Če uvedeš sankcije proti državi, nisi več nevtralen, ni na tebi da odločaš kaj nevtralnost pomeni ali ne.

[G.T.I.]

Zanimivo da je potem toliko mentalne gimnastike okoli tega da ce vojasko napades suvereno drzavo da nisi agresor.

[Bunnee]

ana reče pred 16 minutami:

To je čista histerija. Mimogrede kdo ti je rekel, da nevtralne države ne morejo ukrepati proti drugim državam? V praksi na primer nevtralnost pomeni, da bo šel irski denar v EU skladu za čelade, humanitarno pomoč in podobne zadeve in ne za vojaško opremo. 

Ne bit tok histericna cka

pojma nimas kaj pises.

”nevtralnost velja tudi ce si na strani ‘dobrih in pravicnih’ “. Dej rec da se zajebavas prosim

25. marec 2022 uredilo bitje Bunnee

[ana]

maksi reče pred 26 minutami:

Če uvedeš sankcije proti državi, nisi več nevtralen, ni na tebi da odločaš kaj nevtralnost pomeni ali ne.

A predlagaš, da jih Putin okupira in prisili, da si premislijo? Drugače so pa tu različne oblike. Lahko pa se drzimo definicije: karkoli Bunnee rece.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_country

 

 

25. marec 2022 uredilo bitje ana

[tyne]

Vrhovni_Plenum_OF reče pred 2 urama:

pol pa poglejmo grozni

 

 

pa še bagdad

 

Dober strawman, ventiliram.

[Kakarotto]

Bunnee reče pred 1 uro:

A si v redu Kak? Normalno dihas? Se enkrat, sem proti zahodu v trenutnem izdanju, pa mi je vseeno kdo vodi konjenico. So it happened, da so to trenutno Rusi. Pa sta sad? Ostali tako lepo uzivate v medu in mleku, da se legalno sprenevedate kako slabo gre zatiranim na drugih straneh sveta. “Bolje oni, kot pa mi”. Ne, kvecjemu ste na visji instanci kolektivne zavesti, ker vi veste kaj je prava stran, ker ipak zivite v civilizaciji, ki je nedotaknjena zadnjih 80 let, ampak bog ne daj da se prestopi nevidno linijo, ko bo gazda ali samo udaril z roko po mizi, ali pa kaznoval? Zelo enostavno je kazati s prstom na kriminalne ruse, obenem pa se pozabi na sankcije, ki jih vrsijo tudi instance, ko bi mogle biti apoliticne. Svicarji so ze nebroj let nevtralni, pa so vseeno rabili 3 dni da izberejo strani? Jih kaka ruska nevodena raketa ogroza? World bank group? Praviloma apoliticna, pa se je izkazalo da ni res. In ce so te in se mnoge druge instance kaznovale Rusijo z danimi sankcijami, kaj jim preprecuje sjebati mnogo manjse in sibkejse drzave nazaj v kameno dobo? Kaj se zgodi, ce zacnejo imeti Americani nerealne pogoje za sodelovanje z njimi? Ali pa ce si povprecen Slovenec zeli malo vec avtonomije? Vse kar rabijo je da zalaufajo medijsko masinerijo in nas zacnejo oznacevati za genociden narod. V roku enega tedna bomo smet Evrope.

Sem v redu, pa si ti? Dovolj kisika v možganih, Milan predobro špila pa si šel v višave al kaj? Guess what jaz sem tudi proti zahodnjaško kapitalistični pizdariji pa niti za sekundo ne pomislim, da je zaradi tega to kar se tam dogaja OK. Na nobenem nivoju in na tak način, da bi marginaliziral posamezno dejanje agresije katerekoli strani ali upravičeval tole agresijo, ki jo je na ta large scale začela rusija. Od začetka je ne primerjam z ničemer, je sama dovolj ostudna in ogabna, da jo lahko obsojam brez zadržkov. Pa nenehno se greste kaj pa to kaj pa ono, nisi pomislil na afriko, sirijo, irak, afganistan... Resno, odjebite mi s takimi in me ne boste v te klasične merjenja kurcev vlekli, plus več kot očitno nimate pojma kaj sem obsodil, kako sem se na kako stvar odzval in kaj ne, ker me že n let v teh debatah ni bilo. In te poglobljene debate so res že na nivoju "moj ati prefuka tvojo mami" ali na nivoju, vzel sem si 5 minut pa bom  vam jaz povedal kako je - FACT, PRESS. Jaz res sedaj vsak dan pogledam novice pa upam, da bodo rekli oboji rekli "prekinitev ognja začnejo se pogajanja", ker vse drugo vodi v samo še večjo krizo, destabilizacijo, žrtve. Noben si ne dela utvar, da je Ukrajina še vedno palček proti ruski vojaški moči pa čeprav je propaganda res močno pognala kolesca in še par "pogumnežev" pahnila v boj. Nehajte pa tudi vi tukaj s takimi pametnimi, da se je Rusija do sedaj kakorkoli izkazala, ker se ni. V nobenem pogledu. O outcomu ne bom razpravljal, samo naj čimprej pride.

25. marec 2022 uredilo bitje Kakarotto

[Wallux]

maksi reče pred 1 uro:

a ti to resno

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

 

vse od teh so bili cilj civilno prebivalstvo, ne vojaške tarče, in so vojni zločini brez pardona

 

aja, da ne omenjamo osiromašen uran pri sodobnem vojaškem arzenalu ZDA

 

To je res. ZDA ali pa zahodne države niso v vojni nič bolj etičen kot ostale, čeprav se delajo da so.

[Bunnee]

Pa sem kje napisal, da je to kar se dogaja trenutno ok? 
Ce se ne motim, sem napisal da se to vse trenutno dogaja zaradi razlogov ki niso enostavno crno-belo objasnjeni kakor jih probajo prikazati zahodni mediji, ja? Trenutno situacijo pa tudi razlagati kot prostomalo rusko agresijo brez provokacije in njihove nenasitne zelje po povecanju ozemlja so ravno tako smesne. 
kar se tice drzav tretjega sveta, ne mores jih povsem izkljuciti ko vleces vzporednice. Lahko se sklicujemo na whataboutizem, ces da to ne velja, ampak v preteklih 30. letih so bili postavljeni precedensi, ki se ne bi koncali samo z zuganjem prstov in posiljanjem ostrih protestnih pisem. Zdej je na novem polu, da teh precedensov ne nadaljuje in meri kurce z zahodom koliko novih banana drzav bodo ustvarili.

pa da se razumemo, lahko si kolikorkoli zelimo da bi se trenutna situacija mirno razresila pred vsaj enim mesecem, but be real nigga, kaksne so bile realne sanse za to. Ena stran si je mocno zelela konflikta, je pa na posamezniku da se odloci kera je to stran